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11 February 2009 @ 12:08 pm
M7: Pilot/Ghosts of the Confederacy  
Welcome to the first of our Magnificent Seven episode discussions. In addition to the usual summary, I thought I'd add something that would be both fun and educational. Okay, fun [g] -- a stats list. It contains both canon and fanon items along with an Oops! category.

I'll try and keep the master stats list for the ep updated as the discussion goes on. Try, being the operative word :)

FYI: if you get the Encore channels, M7 airs in the wee hours of the morning.

Magnificent Seven: Desperate men, in the West after the Civil War, band together to defend those who cannot fight for themselves.

Pilot/Ghosts of the Confederacy
Aired: Jan. 1998

Seven men band together to save an Indian village from a ragtag group of Confederate Soldiers. These soldiers are led by Colonel Anderson and are looking for food and supplies to keep the fight against the North alive. The seven men learn to fight together and learn to trust each other. ~ summary via TV.com


Number of times Chris laughs:
Colour of Ezra's coat:
Number of appearances by the 'Serape of Doom':
Times Ezra uses someone's first name:
Josiah 'son' & 'brother' count:
Times Chris isn't dressed all in black:
Times Vin eats:

A few hours later: strangevisitor7's Pilot PicSpam!
Ith: Mag 7 - Ezra Smileithildyn on February 11th, 2009 07:31 pm (UTC)
My Bullet List
Here's my random notes from the rewatch:

Daragh O’Malley rocks!

Mary is the one with guts.

Vin’s so cute with his broom and curly locks.

The black duster is so sexy and the serape of doom doesn’t hold a candle!

Chris’s gunbelt is all covered in silver doodads but is still understated and elegant

Ezra’s sideburns and Bucks mustache! Scary!

Looking rumpled, needs a shave, Ezra’s under pressure

And they’re riding and they’re riding… and music, and they’re riding…

Ezra’s flask!

Ezra and kids. Awww!

JD’s suit looks brand new and they do wear it out over time.

Buck’s birdlike head motions are adorable.

Finally, Ezra shaves! But he has recurring whiskers, then he’s clean shaven again. He’s clean shaven going to the mine and has whiskers when Chris tells him not to run out on him again.. (This is my Oops! for this episode.)

Curly fluffy Vin hair!! Yeah, I’m shallow.

Chris’s hair got longer! Hey, wait! It was almost buzz cut then it’s slicked back. It goes from spiky to slicked back and back again.

Ezra’s dislocated shoulder got really well really fast.
sarah: lowlwinks7985 on February 11th, 2009 07:55 pm (UTC)
Re: My Bullet List
here's the oops i remember (i'm at work, so don't tell!)

chris and the guys are going over how anderson came into the village. the older indian (damn if i can remember his name right now) was pointing to where anderson's men came, and where the backup was.

the oops is: chris has his cheroot in his mouth while they're looking at the makeshift 'village' in the sand, then points to the ground with the cheroot never having taken it from his mouth, then it is magically back in his mouth without having put it there... like magic!!

and i noticed the whiskers thing too, and chris's hair. o well, you beat me to it.

and buck's stache... i don't know why, but if he were driving a panel truck and offered me candy with that stache, i would run away screaming.

and yeah his shoulder got better fast! i hurt my shoulder two weeks ago and it sure as hell ain't better yet!

i'm calling shenanigans!
Ithithildyn on February 12th, 2009 12:11 am (UTC)
Re: My Bullet List
The magical cheroot of light! Something to add to the whimsical one's D&D list [g]
Ninjababe: Calvin-Innocentninjababe on February 12th, 2009 04:51 am (UTC)
Re: My Bullet List
Hmmm... Magical Cheroot of Light... It gives a person the seeming of having a Lawful Good standing even if he's really Chaotic Neutral.

I will call her George: Mag 7 - ATFstrangevisitor7 on February 12th, 2009 02:11 pm (UTC)
Re: My Bullet List
Damn - Chris runs into a lot of magical objects in the old west.[g]
Ninjababe: mag7-maudeninjababe on February 13th, 2009 05:38 am (UTC)
Re: My Bullet List
Maybe he's a secret treasure hunter... :)
Ith: Mag 7 - Buck Smileithildyn on February 11th, 2009 07:43 pm (UTC)
Now for actual discussion!
I once called Four Corners the Brigadoon of the West for it's all over the place history. So for me personally, due to the pilot, I can't see this being set more than 5-6 years after the Civil War.I can't suspend my disbelief that those ghosts were wandering the desert for 10-15 years. For the same reason I think Ezra probably fought in the war because he knows how to use a canon. Now, of course, it's probably just the writers deciding it would be cool for him to shoot a canon, not taking into account you need to know what you're doing, but that's not my problem! LOL

I enjoyed the introduction to the characters, particularly Buck. Ezra is extremely stressed and seems backed into a corner when he's approached by the others. Later, as we get to know him, it seems even more pronounced looking back.

I became a fan of Mary in the pilot. She showed a lot of guts trying to save Nathan. And I admired her for not being intimidated by Chris.

Okay, that's it for now. I'll let everyone else take a turn :)

sarah: ezra's winks7985 on February 11th, 2009 08:07 pm (UTC)
Re: Now for actual discussion!
buck's introduction is by far my favorite. i think it's shot well (with the camera), and it's just too funny and too, well, buck.

and i gotta say, i wasn't a huge fan of JD when he first arrived. i found myself cringing a few times. maybe more for his embarassment, like i was embarassed for him. but he grew on me in a most wonderful way.

and i have a bone to pick about nathan's hanging. if he hung like that for as long as he did, he wouldn't have been able to just "walk it off" like he did. i doubt he would be able to talk, or drink, or speak so clearly.

thos are my thoughts as i sit at work. i'll probably add more later, but i don't want to get busted right now.

p.s. vin is eating as they ride out of town, chomping on something as he says "less ways to split that HUGE pot..."

gotta go...
Ithithildyn on February 11th, 2009 09:30 pm (UTC)
Re: Now for actual discussion!
JD really grew on me too :)

I would have thought he'd have had more of a mark on his neck at least.
tygermama: Mag7 Chris Worrytygermama on February 12th, 2009 12:06 am (UTC)
I liked the plot of the pilot, but I had a few quibbles.

I yelled at the screen when Mary tried to save Nathan, really I think she should have known better than to get close enough to those men that they could just rip the gun out of her hands.

JD did make me cringe more than once, but he was just so earnest, it was pretty obvious that he was brave but needed a little guidance. (and I really liked how the guys eased off him just a little, but lots, once they found out he wasn't some spoiled rich kid)

It seemed like the whole setting up Ezra and Nathan as adversaries because of race thing was tacked on and never really addressed.

What I liked;

Buck's entrance pretty much summed up his entire character in, what? Less than five minutes, which is really effective television. And really funny, you get that he's a ladies man, a little goofy and loyal and caring. You also learn he has a thing against bowler hats, although I don't think it was every completely explained. :)

I though Josiah was a hoot, when they introduced him. The whole inscrutable mystic thing.

I liked Nathan better in the pilot than in some of the other episodes. Here he was very well balanced. And I like Rain.

Umm, Ezra and Vin. *sighs* Two completely different sets of buttons getting pushed here, it would take me all night to talk about them.

And Chris. One minute he's the bad element, the next he seems close to tears. I was a little confused. But, while clearly grieving, he never came off as emotionally unstable or particularly easy to set off, except under specific circumstances (not shooting someone in the back, talking about his past without his knowledge or permission)

Daragh O'Malley has a sexy accent!

And the tribal leader was a great character. I wished he was on the show more.

(I was intending to rewatch last night but due to brats bratifying and housework, I never got the chance, so all this is from memory, sorry)
Ithithildyn on February 12th, 2009 12:09 am (UTC)
Two completely different sets of buttons getting pushed here, it would take me all night to talk about them.

We're not going anywhere [g]

I adore Daragh O'Malley, so was thrilled when I saw him in the pilot. I wish they'd kept him as a recurring character.
conjured_1: rainconjured_1 on February 12th, 2009 12:41 am (UTC)
Behind the scenes info: The pilot was written that Buck died after the sword injury and Daragh O'Malley was going to be part of the 7. Dale's chemistry with the rest of the guys was so pronounced that the end was rewritten to what we have now.
Ithithildyn on February 12th, 2009 12:44 am (UTC)
That's what Casey was telling me a while back. It makes the way the pilot was filmed make a lot more sense looking at in retrospect. Glad Buck didn't die, but doesn't mean I wouldn't have liked to see Daragh pop in now and again [g]
I will call her George: Mag 7 - Buckstrangevisitor7 on February 12th, 2009 02:21 am (UTC)
Poor Daragh but he really did not have any chemistry with the group that I could see
I will call her George: Mag 7 - Ezra is Awesomestrangevisitor7 on February 12th, 2009 02:24 am (UTC)
Pic spam is up

and the ezra only one

My - oops - Vin is not wearing his coat and guns as he walks into the saloon but they magically appear the next time we see him leaning against the bar
sarah: lowlwinks7985 on February 12th, 2009 02:36 am (UTC)
so that's the magical jacket! i've been trying to figure out what you were talking about for days now. whew. i'll sleep better tonight.

yay for continuity errors! they make me happy!
I will call her George: Mag 7 - Buck & Ezrastrangevisitor7 on February 12th, 2009 02:03 pm (UTC)
Yep _ always love finding the goofs. I also noticed that this is the only episode where Ezra uses Blue cards - after this he uses only red cards.

But he must have a lot of decks - he lost three ace of spades in this one episode and gave a deck to his little friend at the end. XD
sarah: he cheatedwinks7985 on February 12th, 2009 04:10 pm (UTC)
i didn't notice about the cards... interesting. now i will have to notice.

i thought about the ace of spades too! at the end when he was giving the kid the cards, i was like, "hey, the ace has a big ol hole in it!" so he gave the kid crappy cards!!

but the one he threw to distract the... pee-er... that one didn't have a hole in it.

how many decks does one man carry? saddlebags are only so big...
I will call her George: Mag 7 - Ezra - Wavesstrangevisitor7 on February 12th, 2009 11:45 pm (UTC)
LOL - I too wonder if the deck he gave the kid had one of the damaged aces.

I'm thinking at least three decks- no reason he couldn't have picked up the one he dropped
Ithithildyn on February 12th, 2009 08:06 pm (UTC)
It's like Tessa in Queen of Swords -- she always seems to have an unlimited supply of Queen Tarot cards at her disposal :)
Ninjababe: 300-woman-swordninjababe on February 13th, 2009 05:34 am (UTC)
I always thought Tessa had a printing press in her basement :)
Ninjababe: mag7-maudeninjababe on February 12th, 2009 04:56 am (UTC)
Before I really get into the discussion... My list:

Number of times Chris laughs: 0
Colour of Ezra's coat: Red
Number of appearances by the 'Serape of Doom': 0
Times Ezra uses someone's first name: 0
Josiah 'son' & 'brother' count: 0
Times Chris isn't dressed all in black: 0
Times Vin eats: 0
Appearances of the 'magic sling': 0

My additions to the list:
# of cheroots clamped 3
# of times Nathan uses knives 3

Ezra is just way too cute with kids...

Want to number times Ezra using words larger than needed, but that would be astronomical

Buck’s head motions are of the awesome...

Can't be lest than 5 years after Civil War. No way men would follow longer...

Theme song makes me think of 'beef it's what's for dinner'

I want Mary’s red dress

Ezra working with his derringer mechanism. You would have to with all that sand and stuff...

Ezra’s disappearing 5 o’clock shadow! He’s clean shaven... He has a maybe-mustache... He’s clean shaven... Etc

Scene of Confederate Colonel messing with his knee... I like, shows why he’s so stubborn and crazy. Because of the laudanum and probably gangrene of his leg.

As for the Colonel: The moment you’re drinking laudanum like you do a flask of Scotch? Oh, yeah... you got a problem!

Is it ironic for Ezra to blow up a Confederate flag?

I still believe Ezra had to be in an army in the Civil War, and in artillery. An officer even. It takes skill to aim a cannon like that... And, it was obviously not aimed the way it was before Ezra got it.
I will call her George: Mag 7 - ATFstrangevisitor7 on February 12th, 2009 02:08 pm (UTC)
I want Mary’s red dress Me too!!

The time line for the show is crap - according to the info given about Nates age it has to be 1867 but all the boys guns come from the 1870s. I'm with you - I can't see those guys roaming the west 15 years after the civil war.

I agree - Ezra had to have artillery experience. Especially when he dismisses Vin's compliment - trying to make less of it by insisting it was a bad shot. Typical Ezra - trying to deflect. I'm sure he didn't want anyone to know just how good he is with a canon
sarah: ooo lookwinks7985 on February 13th, 2009 12:26 pm (UTC)
vin's chompin on something a couple of times... i think when they ride back into town after seeing josiah the first time (?)

then he's chomping on something when they go to ride out (when JD comes up) while he's saying something like "less ways we have to split that HUGE pot.

don't know what he's eating though...
I will call her George: Mag 7 - allstrangevisitor7 on February 12th, 2009 02:21 pm (UTC)
I spent a lot of time looking at this episode - I have to while capping and really the pilot tells us everything we need to know about our boys. Just some rambling thought on the boys nothing really insighful

Chris thinks he's a bad ass and yet help strangers for nothing. Plus we know he suffered a terrible personal loss.

Vin is on the run and has a very laid back attitude about it all. We know a lot about his history but I never felt we got to know Vin until later - he's a follower and yet he was the first to try and help Nathan after Mary was hurt. He immediately defers to Chris.
Buck - Is the most open and we learn the most about him. He is a riot, big brother and ladies man. He has a history with Chris and is not afraid to share - he has no filter.

Nathan - is just the happiest ex-slave ever and at least in the pilot finds Ezra's dislike of him something humorous to over come.

Ezra - is a conman. He only went along for the gold but then we see he's got a conscious and is great with kids - something I wish they used more often. The conman with the heart of gold - it's cliche because it works.

Josiah we know he was a preacher who lost faith and has a death wish.

JD - Well JD's just this annoying kid but I loved him from the moment he jumped off the stage. He scenes with Buck are the reason I kept watching.

I didn't become an Ezra girl until much later - It was Buck and JD first