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03 January 2016 @ 03:54 pm
That Star Wars Movie  
I've been wanting to post since I saw it, but wanted to be less emotional. Now it's been a few weeks, I'm giving it a try.

I am so angry!! I loved the movie, even with third generation of whiny Skywalker brat, and I'd gone in spoiler free, so felt totally sandbagged at what happened. They killed Han. I started to cry, and I didn't stop till the movie was over. I don't know where fandom hangs out these days, but all I heard from people was how awesome the movie was. Am I the only one who was/is upset? I remember how angry fandom was when they killed Richie, over 'Last Knight', so many other instances. I thought there'd be some reaction. Maybe I don't know where those places are, but I feel totally alone in this. I don't ever want to see the movie again, and I'm not sure I want to see the sequels. I wish Han hadn't even been in the movie if that was going to be the outcome. I was so excited, as I was watching, that this was the sequel I'd been waiting for for so many years. Boy, I feel stupid. If you loved the movie, that's fine, I just needed to vent. I've been bottling it up, and just had to finally let it out. Nin has a theory about Han not actually being dead, but I don't want to get my hopes up, because I, at this point, am coming to believe you can't go back. Star Wars was a huge part of my teenage/twenties, and I think that's all I get.

Yeah, not less emotional.

(I even did a private post testing the cut, so I didn't screw it up)

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dejladejla on January 3rd, 2016 11:49 pm (UTC)
I'm so sorry. It is disappointing to have a movie take a turn you didn't want.
Ithithildyn on January 4th, 2016 01:01 am (UTC)
Thanks :)
mosinging1986 on January 4th, 2016 12:50 am (UTC)
Here via the LJ Home Page

I feel exactly the same way! I was horrified! Especially since it had very little meaning because we knew next to nothing about this son or their relationship or whatever the conflict was between him and his parents! It felt like a cruel, cheap shot and nothing more.

They killed not only our all of our childhoods, but the childhoods of all those kids who will watch the original movies for the first time.

I still can't really talk about it.
Ith: Holiday - Frost Candleithildyn on January 4th, 2016 01:00 am (UTC)
Especially since it had very little meaning because we knew next to nothing about this son or their relationship or whatever the conflict was between him and his parents!

Yes, this exactly!! It was meaningless. They took the joy of getting the gang back together and totally ruined it. And the movie held so much promise.

I'm so glad to know I'm not the only one. Misery loves company :) Thank you for taking the time to comment. I understand not really being ready to talk about it. I teared up again just typing up my post.
mosinging1986 on January 4th, 2016 01:07 am (UTC)
Nope, not the only one. My sister told me her best friend called her, in tears, immediately after coming home after the theater. I guess she'd loved Han since she was 6 years old. My sister hadn't seen the movie yet and didn't want to be spoiled. But the minute she heard her voice she knew only one thing could create such a reaction in her friend. It sounds silly, since this is a grown woman, married, with a child. But that's how it felt - like our childhood was destroyed. And for no other reason than to be cruel and "dramatic".

Take care!
Ith: Art - If Onlyithildyn on January 4th, 2016 01:11 am (UTC)
You too. Thanks again.
Becca: Methos Fight from ithidrialbeccadg on January 4th, 2016 01:00 am (UTC)
Am I the only one who was/is upset?

*Hugs tight.* You aren't alone, Ith. I haven't seen it, and am refusing to having heard about Han in some spoilers. I've also seen people who did see it and where up set. It's hard for me to tell on the internet how much of it is matter of the age of the people reacting to the movie, and how much it's other things. I just know it seems like a lot of the people who aren't upset are younger fans who's first real exposure to a Star Wars movie in a theater was one of the prequels. They might intellectually understand the importance of Han to older fans, but they don't get it at the gut emotional level. I'm sorry you've been feeling alone with the loss, (((((Ith))))).
Ith: Art - If Onlyithildyn on January 4th, 2016 01:03 am (UTC)
Thanks. I know part of it is my mental state, with my father dying, and Tammy before that. There's enough real death out there -- I don't need it in something that was making me happy as I watched. It really was such a good movie. I think that made it worse.
Becca: Screw Canon from snarkelbeccadg on January 4th, 2016 04:01 am (UTC)
There's enough real death out there -- I don't need it in something that was making me happy as I watched.

Exactly. I feel like I say it a lot, but I can't help it. That's a simple truth for me. I feel strongly about it even if the character that dies isn't one I have a deep emotional attachment to, and I've loved Han Solo since I was five years old. As soon as I heard the spoiler there was no way anyone was getting me to spend 10$ to watch Han Solo be murdered.

It really was such a good movie. I think that made it worse.

The possibility of it being good enough to make it worse is part of the reason I'm not sure when-if I'll finally see it. I know I don't want to spend 10$ on it, that would feel waaay too much like I was rewarding them for destroying my childhood, but I also know I did eventually watch Highlander: The Source which had very little redeeming value. It was a pure exercise in "The things I do for Methos." I guess right now it's a matter of time. I have to see how I feel when I have the chance to see The Force Awakens without paying that much money to do it. At least I've spent enough years writing fanfic to be prepared to reject it if it doesn't work for me at all. :-/
Ith: Japan - Winterithildyn on January 4th, 2016 10:44 pm (UTC)
Maybe if he'd died saving someone, or I don't know. I think the manner of his was just as upsetting.
Becca: The Crow Real Love by beccadgbeccadg on January 6th, 2016 09:37 am (UTC)
I understand what you mean. It reminds me of an exchange in The Lion In Winter between Richard the Lionheart, and his brother Geoffrey--

Prince Geoffrey: My you chivalric fool... as if the way one fell down mattered.
Prince Richard: When the fall is all there is, it matters.

How they killed Han matters, not just that they did it at all.
cincoflexcincoflex on January 4th, 2016 01:04 am (UTC)

I went in unspoiled so yeah, I was pretty shocked when it happened, although I know I'd heard comments that Harrison wanted this to definitely be his last SW movie, so in hindsight I should have figured it out. It pisses me off that the screenwriters seemed to feel that we HAD to have a character die; that somehow we wouldn't be emotionally invested unless it happened, and as we fan writers know that's BS.

And it certainly doesn't make me any fan of Kylo Ren, that's for damned sure.
Ithithildyn on January 4th, 2016 01:14 am (UTC)
And not just die, but with no reeaction after. I weas mentally screaming at the screen. Han just died and no one seems to give a damn. Like Chewie would have just moved on with Rey like nothing happened? Just ARGH!!!
Valerie - Postmodern Pollyanna: sw sillywiliqueen on January 4th, 2016 01:13 am (UTC)
I bawled my eyes out twice so far, and fully expect to do so again.

I don't know if it helps, but here's where I stand with it: There's what someone already mentioned about how likely it is that Harrison only agreed to do one, but also... they can't ask him to keep doing that stuff, but Han doesn't know how not to. He'd just keep doing it until his body refused to do it anymore and got him killed, probably in a far more ignominious fashion.

He went out trying to save his family. Even if we don't know much about what happened, I feel like I got enough from Han and Leia for the sacrifice to make sense.

It probably doesn't help, I know; you feel how you feel, and you have all my hugs. <3
Ithithildyn on January 4th, 2016 01:15 am (UTC)
Thanks :)
Valerie - Postmodern Pollyannawiliqueen on January 6th, 2016 01:18 am (UTC)
You're welcome.

Also, you might appreciate this piece on io9. (I do think this person is overselling it a bit -- I get the impression they got a goodly amount of "happy ending" time before everything went south -- but I get the sentiment anyway.)

Edited at 2016-01-06 01:19 am (UTC)
Ith: Art - 100 Acre Woodithildyn on January 9th, 2016 06:51 pm (UTC)
·ɿɾ· Megan: The original Captain Tightpantsmiss_bushido on January 4th, 2016 03:44 am (UTC)
Don't worry, you are not alone. I was crushed when it happened, though I saw it coming a mile away (nothing good happens over an abyss!). I don't even want a redemption arc for his son, I just want the little fucker to die.

I also want some serious answers on many things: how the hell did this kid get so many grandfather issues? Why did he turn to the Dark/is still fighting the Light? Did Han and Leia have more/better children than this whiny-ass piece of shit? How in God's name did the First Order make a planet into a death weapon?

From what I understand about Han's death, though, Harrison Ford did not want to reprise his role (since he has hated the character from the beginning) and that was one of the reasons Han died. I called it, though; before we saw it, I was talking to my fiance's brother and said, "What if Han, Leia and Luke die in all the films?" He said, "Why would you say that?"

This comment is all over the place. Sorry <3
Ith: Art - If Onlyithildyn on January 4th, 2016 10:46 pm (UTC)
I'm all over the place too.

I also have so many questions, no answers. I'm told the novelization answers some of them.

I started getting a bad feeling the second Han noticed the brat. I almost shut my eyes.

God, I hope Han and Leia had other kids, ones who aren't total losers like the brat.
bugeyedmonsterbugeyedmonster on January 4th, 2016 03:52 am (UTC)
Haven't seen the movie, but I've been spoiled already....

Did you ever read the books? I was reading the books way back, but can't remember when I left off. In the books I remember Han and Leia having three kids, Jacen, Jacia and Anakin.

And Han is a wily bastard. I wouldn't put it past him to still be alive somehow.....

I have this wild theory on how to mash movie-verse and book verse.

Kylo is actually Han's son by someone else. When Han joined the rebels, the Empire took Kylo away from whomever was raising him.

So it's all these years later, and Kylo is upset, seeing his bio-dad having this cute, nice little family.

Anyhow.... I'm not sure I want to see the movie in the theaters. Maybe later when it hits DVD so I can have time to process Han's death. He was such a great character.....

digthewriter: Vader_Rainbowdigthewriter on January 4th, 2016 05:49 am (UTC)
butting in here to say that the most diappointing thing for me was that he was called Ben (Solo). Which I'm like... dude, Ben Skywalker, Luke and Mara's kid. But of course, there's no Mara Jade so that just is lame as lameness that is super lame.

Still... I was purely hoping he'd be called "Jacen!" when Han calls out his name and when he said "Ben!" I was like "are you fucking kidding me?"

Anyway... as someone who is a major SWEU / Expanded Universe / Legacy Books now... fan. It was a total slap in the face.

bugeyedmonsterbugeyedmonster on January 4th, 2016 10:40 pm (UTC)
I can't believe I forgot about Luke and Mara Jade.

Sigh. Someone never read the books..... (Meaning the Disney scriptwriters.)
Ith: Art - If Onlyithildyn on January 4th, 2016 10:48 pm (UTC)
I used to read the books, but didn't keep up with them.

In my heart, Han's still alive.
digthewriter: Vader_Rainbowdigthewriter on January 4th, 2016 05:47 am (UTC)
I feel really really really odd about Han dying. Mainly because I kind of know the whole behind the scenes thing and Harrison Ford wanting to have died in the end of ESB or maybe it was ROTJ. He really hated being associated with Han Solo for the rest of his life. He didn't want to come back for the new movie(s). Having known all of that and it leaving a sour taste in my mouth -- I didn't really feel *impacted* by his death. It was such a fucking cop out that i can't even.

I do like the way he was killed b/c it gave Kylo Ren a bit of depth but yeah, if I take my logical brain out and just be in the story for the story... God, Han dying SUCKED. Because the way Leia reacted, she felt it in the Force -- was HEARTBREAKING.

I hope his death is revenged/redeemed in the future movies.
Ith: Art - If Onlyithildyn on January 4th, 2016 10:50 pm (UTC)
I remember all about HF wanting to die in the original movies, I guess I just didn't think Disney would go for killing him off in their maiden voyage, so I really wasn't prepared for it [sighs]