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23 June 2006 @ 02:29 pm
Time's Passage  
This is very rambleish, so bear with me.

Specifically, I was thinking this in regards to Methos as I was watching the most excellent vid "And As for You" by killabeez, but it applies to Highlander in general. The passage of time. How must it be to not see someone for more than two thousand years, then they're back in your life? Are Immortal's brains different in how they perceive and deal with the passage of time? Would a century seems like a few months? Do they have a more vivid and complete memory system than we do? Methos says his earliest memories are barely there anymore, assuming he's telling the truth of course, so there must be some sort of max for them. So he has vivid memories of four thousand years ago, but not five?

Just for myself, trying to remember people that I was close to twenty five years ago, but haven't seen since, my memory is fairly hazy. But for Immortals, it seems that seeing someone millennia later is like they just said goodbye last week.


 
 
 
Robertarobi_travels on June 23rd, 2006 09:54 pm (UTC)
I always thought they had a more vivid memory system then mortals. In Methos case of Kronos I just assumed it is hard to forget someone you spent thousands of years, raping, pillaging and killing with, as death on a horse, across the then known world.

As for his past, I think he is lying, or at the very least, it may have to do with his first quickening and the shock that came with it. He implies early on that he could be older since he only remembers taking his first head. That makes me think the shock of the quickening, and not knowing what he was blocked his mortal memories.

In another episode he says that he could go centuries without meeting immortals because the world had neither the mortals or immortal numbers it does now. Makes you wonder how many "mortal" lives he went through before he found an immortal and accidental got his quickening.

For Duncan I think it was almost 2-3 years correct? For Methos is could have been centuries.

Roberta

eveningblue: Methoseveningblue on June 23rd, 2006 10:22 pm (UTC)
Yes, Methos's beginnings are wonderful to speculate about.
Killa: methos rev church - hafitalkillabeez on June 23rd, 2006 10:47 pm (UTC)
In another episode he says that he could go centuries without meeting immortals because the world had neither the mortals or immortal numbers it does now.

When does he say that? I have no recollection of a line like that. Probably early onset senility...
Ith: Maple leavesithildyn on June 24th, 2006 01:38 am (UTC)
Probably early onset senility...

You and me both [g]

Berta, where do you think that was said?
eveningblue: south park duncaneveningblue on June 23rd, 2006 10:26 pm (UTC)
I often wonder about this.

First of all, I'm guessing that their brains never suffer the deterioration that mortal brains do once we reach middle age. Also, an episode like "Through a Glass Darkly" suggests that perhaps not all Immortal memories are flawless.

But I have often wondered how Duncan always remembers Immortals that he meets so quickly, no "Um, what was your name again? It's on the tip of my tongue" hesitations for him, even if it turns out their history together was very brief. I'd love to see an episode in which an Immortal came back and Duncan didn't remember him.
Hmpf: ears of lovehmpf on June 23rd, 2006 10:34 pm (UTC)
I think they do forget.
Of course, I have no real proof for that, as the only Immie whose memories we got to see a lot of was Duncan, who in immortal terms isn't all that old yet. But yeah, I believe Methos when he says he's forgotten his earliest memories - he appears, pardon the pun, 'timeless' to me, in the sense of someone who is not rooted in any particular time anymore but instead is sort of at home in any time or place - but only ever 'sort of at home'.

Then again, I'm probably projecting like crazy here. *g*

Anyway... as for why his relationship with Kronos still seems so fresh despite of the length of the intervening time: I think we must not forget that Methos spent a fifth of his rather extraordinarly long lifespan with Kronos. I'm not sure he'd remember any random immie from 3000 years ago. I even believe him when he claims not to remember Cassandra during their first encounter in Mac's dojo - at least in the first moment. I'm sure recognition comes after a couple of seconds, but the surprise at the very first moment of being confronted by her is real, I'd be (almost) willing to bet.
Ekaterinn: duncan and horse (by beeej)ekaterinn on June 23rd, 2006 10:50 pm (UTC)
Immortal phsyiology is very interesting to contemplate, innit? I'm not sure about the memory question - Duncan certainly seems to remember everything. Methos claims not to remember his first memories - maybe once you rack up a couple of millinia, things begin to blur, though you would never forget someone who you spent a thousand years with. That might be another explantion to why "if they have a sword and I haven't been introduced, I get shy" - there's no guarantee that he would remember someone who he had an ancient history with. Then again, maybe everything's crystal clear, unless an Immortal is blocking some trauma. *shrugs*

I need to write up that post I was thinking about on how Immortals views their bodies - that won't grow old or sick - and their swords, which are almost an extension of their bodies.
Mischief: WWMDem_kellesvig on June 25th, 2006 01:47 am (UTC)
Immortal Memory
Please bear with me because this will sound rather strange.

I never had a problem with Duncan's memory and I never believed that Methos didn't remember his begins because my memory works very much like theirs.

It's not photographic memory or total recall. Someone once explained it to me as "cascading" memory. Something triggers it. A name, a face, a smell, a question, something, and I have what I can only desribe as a semi-flashback. I can 'see' the memory in full detail. BUT I can only see what I saw in the memory. If I didn't see it then, I can't see it now. I'm limited to my own perceptions. (I think that's true of everyone.)

Frex: Ask me where I bought a particular shirt. I look at the shirt and every detail of that purchase comes up: the store, the layout of the store, the location of the shirt within the store, the location of the cash register, the cashier's face, name, did I pay with cash, check, credit, was I alone or with someone, who?, what day was it, what was the weather, the time, what did we do before, what did we do after, did I buy anything else at the same time? On what occaison did I first wear it?

It all comes flooding back in that moment. But until that moment, it's stored away somewhere, completely forgotten. Once I pull the memory up, if I don't edit my response, I usually get a very strange look from the person asking or they'll say, "How do you remember that shit?"

I don't know, I just do. But it has to be triggered. I've learned to trigger memories myself (this is very helpful when taking tests) and I've learned how to store them so that the painful ones don't keep eating at me.

This might very well be how Immortal memory works. It seems to be how my brain is wired. It might make sense for them as well. Store the memory until it's needed then let it cascade out. And bear in mind that mortals only use about 10% of their brain's capacity, possibly less. So an Immortal, even one as old as Methos, would have plenty of room and plenty of practice with this type of recall.

It's a reality for me. It could work for them as well. JMHO.