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02 June 2006 @ 09:52 pm
I'm watching the ep where Anne comes to Paris, and she wants Duncan to put a coat on even thought he can't catch a cold, and he replies, 'we can catch colds, just not die of them.' I don't ever remember knowing that they could get any sort of illness?

in_the_bottlein_the_bottle on June 3rd, 2006 04:58 am (UTC)
I've often wondered about that. I mean, maybe th eir idea of a cold is like what normal mortals refers to as a full blown flu and all they get is a sniffle and then their immune system or whatever it is kicks in and that's it. That's their cold, a sniffle.

Ith: Sistersithildyn on June 3rd, 2006 05:37 am (UTC)
And if they can get a cold, can they get other things?
gwynfyd on June 3rd, 2006 05:59 am (UTC)
Well, they are affected by things. They feel pain, can be poisoned, they bleed -- they even die. Duncan has died many, many times. But they survive. They recover, and their bodies go back to normal. So, I would imagine they could get a cold, but it would be over very fast.
in_the_bottlein_the_bottle on June 3rd, 2006 06:03 am (UTC)
Yeah, like the plague... or maybe that's like the flu to them?

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Hmpf: ears of lovehmpf on June 3rd, 2006 11:43 am (UTC)
This makes me wonder...
about severe, acquired chronic illnesses. Can they get them, or are their immune systems too effective? What about something ultimately lethal like AIDS - would that just be 'neutralised' by an immortal immune system, or could it turn into, say, a chronic-but-not-lethal (perhaps not even particularly serious in terms of symptoms) thing? Could a mortal catch it off an immortal even though the immortal doesn't have symptoms? Etc.

Yeesh. Can of worms....
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Ith: From Hellithildyn on June 3rd, 2006 08:06 pm (UTC)
*imagines Caspian being so nasty because of permanent subclincal liver fluke infestation combined with rabies* *eg*

Ewww! Which makes me think of.... wait for it... syphilis! What about all those sorts of diseases? I know a common convention in fic is that Immies are the ultimate in safe sex. But are they really, I wonder? Trust me to be the one to enter that into the conversation (well, I think I did, but I haven't got to every single comment yet). But hey, I make a random post, I go to bed, and I come back to find all this! I can't help myself.
pat: brotherspat_t on June 3rd, 2006 03:18 pm (UTC)
Talk about a can of worms *g*. I have a question. Everyone talks about Immortal's immune systems - is it *ever* discussed or even mentioned in canon that they have better immune systems? Or is it that they are effected just like we are until they die and then their bodies repair and they revive? I just don't seem to remember it even being brought up, except in this instance. And then Duncan's reply, to me, is that they can get a cold just like any other human on the planet, but if they die, they come back.
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Ith: Umbrellaithildyn on June 3rd, 2006 08:13 pm (UTC)
Tickleing at the back of my brain, I have a memory of a similar exchange between Duncan and... Richie? But that's all I can pin down. Anyone out there remember that? Or is it my imagination?
Mischief: Karmaem_kellesvig on June 4th, 2006 06:58 pm (UTC)
I think it was Counterfeit Part 1. Mac and Rich were waiting for Horton's people to ambush them at the barge and Rich was complaining that he was freezing and would catch a cold. Mac said not to worry, he wouldn't die of it...
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eveningblueeveningblue on June 4th, 2006 03:47 am (UTC)

Here's a riddle for you:

If the body cannot regenerate limbs, it would stand to reason that it cannot regenerate organs, either.

So what if an Immortal had his or her heart ripped out?
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Killa: duncan - faile02killabeez on June 4th, 2006 10:31 am (UTC)
Absolutely fascinating discussion, and I'm enjoying it muchly.

So if canon says 'no regeneration of limbs' then it's contradicting itself

It doesn't, actually. What we know about this is that Xavier had his hand lopped off in February of 1993, and he hadn't grown it back a year or so later. Nobody actually says anything about whether he will, eventually, grow it back. Nobody says anything about whether a year is an unusually long time for the regeneration to take, or when he might expect to see that hand again.

Nefertiri is a whole story in and of herself. Some people say that the fact that Duncan sensed her means that the "buzz" persists through death. But I'd say it's more likely she wasn't dead when he sensed her. Perhaps she spent 2000 years dying and reviving again. Perhaps it took her 50 years to grow everything back -- or 5 days. We really don't have any canon to tell us.

As for the violent death, that was made canon by Raven and by Endgame, for those who accept those two sources as canon. Connor specifically says it's the "shock of a violent death" that triggers Immortality.

I love all the ideas about why sometimes death lasts longer, and why neck wounds might not heal, etc. Some of these I haven't heard before.
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Ith: Shadow Willowithildyn on June 6th, 2006 04:43 am (UTC)
I would think that being an immie combined with torture would be pretty horrific. Years and years ago, I remember reading a fic where Methos was in a concentration camp during WWII. [shudder]