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22 May 2014 @ 03:04 pm
Deicsions, Decisions  
Trying to decide something for the fic I'm currently writing that involves the existence of Immortals. Care to share your two cents?

ETA: should have clarified that the story in question is my current WIP and part 60 odd of my current series. So my question is based on the background of past stories. Sorry I didn't make that clear.


Spoilers for CA II below.

At the end of the movie, all of SHIELDS files are dumped on the internet. so I have choices to make. Do I let the existence of Immortals be a part of the info dump or not? If yes, it would have far reaching consequences in my universe, and I'm not sure if I want to go there or not.

What do you think? As a Highlander fan, would you like a world where the existence of Immortals was public knowledge? Or would you prefer them to remain hidden?

If I do go there, there would be a matter of degree. For example, Methos' current identity would be public, but there would be no tie back to Methos.

Trying to decide is what's bogging down the muse -- at least currently.

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Becca: 10th Doctor Certified Geek from ???beccadg on May 22nd, 2014 11:27 pm (UTC)
What do you think? As a Highlander fan, would you like a world where the existence of Immortals was public knowledge?

For me with a crossover, which an MCU/Highlander story would be, it would depend on how the Immortals have already covertly been being integrated. Have science and magic been being treated as the same thing, the way the writers of the Thor films have had some characters talk about them rather than being treated as two separate things? By extension have Highlander Immortals been treated more as magic, or more as aliens from the planet Zeist? I like my Aesir and Highlander Immortals to be magic. Plus, there's also the question, are the Watchers an independent organization in the crossover, or have they been folded into SHIELD? The amount of information SHIELD has to leak about Immortals is gonna be dependent on how much they know in the first place. Plus, how much of the SHIELD data dump people actually believe will vary. Sure the Battle of New York made some people more aware of a "bigger universe" but even some of those people will work hard to ignore as much of that stuff as possible. It'll be like Methos said in Finale, "It'll be filed away with alien abductions and Elvis sightings," to those people. It's complicated.
Ithithildyn on May 23rd, 2014 02:28 am (UTC)
Sorry, I should of clarified I was asking in regards to my current series. But thank you for taking the time to reply. I didn't think anyone would respond and forgot to make my post more specific.
Becca: Loki Mischief Managed by beccadgbeccadg on May 23rd, 2014 05:11 am (UTC)
Sorry, I should of clarified I was asking in regards to my current series.

Aaaah. Wasn't sure if you were asking in regards to your current series, or if you were starting something new from CA:WS so I tried to hedge. Thanks for clarifying.

But thank you for taking the time to reply.

You're welcome.
Sinanjusinanju on May 23rd, 2014 01:40 am (UTC)
I think it depends on how much SHIELD actually knows about the existence of Immortals. Note that SHIELD remained entirely ignorant of the existence of a secret Hydra infiltration of SHIELD itself; clearly, SHIELD is not as "all-knowing" as they'd have people believe. Do they even know about the existence of Immortals? And do they know about Immortals (tm)--that is, do they know there are LOTS of them, and they fight to the death with swords, and so forth? Or do they happen to know about a handful who were unlucky enough to get the attention of SHIELD (or people like Fox Mulder, for that matter)? They might know that Mr. X is apparently hundreds of years old, and regenerates even from seemingly lethal wounds...but they may have no clue that he's part of a culture that has existed for all of human history.

I suspect a lot of the older immortals (Methos, of course, but many others too) would have alternate identities in place for those unfortunate incidents in which they get outed. Connor's reception following his first lethal injury is hardly unique. They're all gonna be prepared to bug out when the files go public. Unless SHIELD has biometric data on them (fingerprints, etc) they might end up with files on lots of people who...no longer exist.

Also, even if SHIELD knows about the Immortals, how much interest will they have in them? SHIELD is mostly interested in potential threats or assets. Most Immortals are no threat to civilization or national security (even they wanted to be), and many would be of little use to SHIELD as agents. They're too oriented toward solo action, not working for a large organization, even if they're well practiced at keeping secrets, maintaining cover identities, and fighting to the death in isolated locales.... The files may be relatively skimpy. "Mr. X is suspected of being an immortal, but does not qualify as either a threat or a potential recruit. Case closed."
Ithithildyn on May 23rd, 2014 02:25 am (UTC)
Sorry, I should of clarified I was asking in regards to my current series. But thank you for taking the time to reply.
I will call her Georgestrangevisitor7 on May 23rd, 2014 02:16 am (UTC)
I think that the knowledge of Immortals is a closely guarded secret. And like Fury being alive something he would protect from the general public. I also think that while there was a huge info dump, Fury would keep things about his allies from seeing the light if day. Plus I think he'd be worried about facing Charlotte if he betrayed her secret. LOL
Ithithildyn on May 23rd, 2014 02:23 am (UTC)
That's kind of the direction I've been learning, but wasn't sure if that was realistic considering the events of the movie.
Becca: Loki Mischief Managed by beccadgbeccadg on May 23rd, 2014 05:31 am (UTC)
...wasn't sure if that was realistic considering the events of the movie.

I think it's realistic for the secret to be kept, not just because of Nick's not being dead being a secret, but because of things in the post CA:WS episodes of M:AoS. The show has made it clear that there are various things Nick kept secret, not just his being alive. I mean with the finale, they established there are enough bases that have remained secret for the team on the show to move from one compromised secret base to another un-compromised one. The info dump obviously wasn't complete no matter how huge it was.

ETA: Also, Nick is the type to have thought about the scale of consequences if news of Highlander Immortals went public. The info dump was about undercutting people seeing HYDRA and SHIELD as one thing. It was about giving people tools to protect themselves from HYDRA, not about exposing them to unnecessary potentially hysteria spawning information. Why would Nick include information about Highlander Immortals when it would not only not help, but would potentially be very dangerous to a lot of people one way or another? Not least of all dangerous to himself.

Edited at 2014-05-23 05:41 am (UTC)
Ith: Avengers - Loki Smileithildyn on May 24th, 2014 12:34 am (UTC)
You have reinforced my first inclination for it all to remain secret :D And Nick promised Charlotte - and Methos - ironclad new identities, so yeah, he'd make it happen.

Definitely feeling more secure in the secret decision now. Thank you.
Becca: Methos Fight from ithidrialbeccadg on May 25th, 2014 07:36 pm (UTC)
You're welcome. :D
I will call her George: Mag 7 - Ezra - Immortalstrangevisitor7 on May 27th, 2014 07:25 pm (UTC)
In the end, I beleive they dumped enough info to be annoying and hurt Hydra but nothing that would actually give away any secrets they needed to rebuild SHEILD..like secret bases run by Patton Oswald clones.

I beleive this because I don't think that the secret of Immortals is something that should be out in the world.
Becca: Methos Too Old by beccadgbeccadg on May 29th, 2014 07:16 am (UTC)
...like secret bases run by Patton Oswald clones.

*Snickers.* The fact that the new "secret base" was also run by a Patton Oswald clone was one of the little details they got me with in the finale, like giving Coulson his energy gun from The Avengers.

I believe this because I don't think that the secret of Immortals is something that should be out in the world.

Yeah, having given it a lot of thought, for me the bottom line is my seeing Nick Fury as knowing that the secret of Immortals should stay secret.
Black Rook: potsdam_smilegrachonok on May 23rd, 2014 08:45 am (UTC)
Considering both SHIELD and HYDRA knew about Immortals, some part of that info I think should have been there. But it could have been tied with all other info concerning SHIELD keeping an eye on people with powers, not exactly Watcher's manual. So, maybe interested people would be able to learn about Immortal culture, but for general public it's more under "there are various people with various powers out there" pile.
Ith: Methos - Mythithildyn on May 24th, 2014 12:35 am (UTC)
Good point!