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26 February 2014 @ 08:54 pm
Dark World  
Got the Loki II DVD yesterday and we watched the One Shot and the deleted scenes. The One Shot - - oh, the possibilities! Loved it, and the during and after the credits scenes! Felt cheated by the deleted stuff, knowing that nearly an hour was cut from the final version by Disney /Marvel.

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Ith: Avengers - Loki Mischiefithildyn on March 2nd, 2014 12:21 am (UTC)
Read an interview with Feige where he said that it wasn't till the end that he realized they'd made a Loki trilogy :D
Becca: Loki Facepalm by beccadgbeccadg on March 2nd, 2014 11:26 am (UTC)
I know I shouldn't be surprised he didn't realize they'd made a Loki trilogy until the end, but I am still surprised and disappointed. As soon as I heard Loki was going to be in Thor 2 it was my mistaken thought they were intentionally rounding out a Loki trilogy. I mean it makes sense, when the villains are the characters you can rotate out, to group the stories by the villains. You're always going to want to have your hero there, but you aren't going to want him to be fighting with the same villain all the time. I suppose I should just be grateful he realized it at all.
Ithithildyn on March 2nd, 2014 07:31 pm (UTC)
And that's your prerogative. For me, there wasn't nearly enough Loki in Thur II.
Becca: Thorki by beccadgbeccadg on March 3rd, 2014 05:56 am (UTC)
Oh, I was pleasantly surprised when they not only let Loki live, but left him on the throne in Asgard. I had fully expected them to kill Loki off in the third film feeling he was "played out" as some people like to put it. With Loki alive at the end of the film there's still hope that if things like Loki's own comic book series, Loki: Agent of Asgard, do well he might get his own movie sometime. I'm not disappointed by Loki's success. I'm relieved that, while his success took them by surprise, they adjusted to it in time to keep their options open.
ericadawn16: Weirdericadawn16 on February 28th, 2014 05:24 am (UTC)
Okay, two questions...

1. Is the scene with Frigga confirming that she was really speaking to him the worst of the cuts or is there a scene even more important that was cut? In your opinion?

I haven't bought a copy because I'm thinking of waiting and do the Briefcase Redux set or whatever Phase 2 will be...

2. Have you read or watched Mythical Detective Loki?
When you first mentioned it a while back, I thought...interesting and that was the end of it but...
My nephews have started getting into anime because of Netflix and that made me think of Loki so today I showed both of the trailers...I like this one better...
http://youtu.be/LqCG7fRnjUM

So, my nephews were all, What the Hell? I don't know how to take that. That's NOT Loki!

But this time...I've become more intrigued. I'm thinking of getting that cheap Volume 7 book that Amazon has or the 7 dollar volume one dvd.

I think my renewed interest might be influenced by the end of Young Avengers and Kid!Loki...I did love him so much and this looks like a very similar portrayal.

Actually, oldest nephew had the funniest response...he couldn't believe it pre-dated everything because his first response was to say, "It looks like it was done by a fangirl who's watched too much Sherlock."
Ith: Avengers - Loki Smileithildyn on March 2nd, 2014 12:20 am (UTC)
I hadn't given it much thought, though that was the one that stuck out in my mind most. They're probably all up on YouTube somewhere by now.

No, other than watching some clips on YouTube, that's about it. Watching the Spanish version was quite amusing :D
Becca: Loki Illustrated by beccadgbeccadg on March 2nd, 2014 11:37 am (UTC)
But this time...I've become more intrigued. .... I think my renewed interest might be influenced by the end of Young Avengers and Kid!Loki...I did love him so much and this looks like a very similar portrayal.

So far I've watched the first four episodes, and in a way it does the banishment of Thor truer to the comic books than the first Thor movie did. I mean it's anime so Mjolnir got turned into a Kendo stick rather than a walking stick, but it does have Mjolnir transformed. It'd be easy to do a fusion of the Thor movie and Mythical Detective Loki. It would just be a matter of Odin banishing everyone involved with the trip to Jutonheim, and making them kids as part of the banishment.

...he couldn't believe it pre-dated everything because his first response was to say, "It looks like it was done by a fangirl who's watched too much Sherlock."

Heh. Shows how the nephews are just getting into anime. Magical detective agencies are a whole genre in anime. Mythical Detective Loki didn't appeal to me when it was first out because I wasn't curious about how they made Loki head of magical detective agency. I've gotten into it now because Tom Hiddleston's portrayal of Loki has revived my interest in all things Loki related.
ericadawn16: Weirdericadawn16 on March 3rd, 2014 01:47 am (UTC)
Okay, I've seen six episodes now (thank you Hulu for some decent freeness) and I LOVE this!!!!! It's so hilarious and awesome.

I would love a fanfiction of this fusing the two together because I agree that I like the slow burn better, plus, you have everyone else turned into children/teenagers but without taking away their powers...I LOVE Loki's staff he conjures up when necessary. The movies don't even have Frey and Freya.

What would you do with Mayura? She often has the same temperment as Darcy but she's so thick sometimes that I'd like to think Darcy would catch on quicker than that...like still not realizing that the guy you work for is THE Loki?? Especially when "Thor" calls his sword Mjolnir, he's not exactly hiding.

I still haven't seen Fenrir which I'm looking forward to...his cuteness in the opening credits made me rethink some of my fanfic...but I am definitely sad that Sif never appears?
Still, I understand that this is more about Loki with Thor just being the comic relief/sidekick.
Plus, I do love that it has all his kids whereas Marvel is kind of like "if we don't have Sleipnir in the sequel, you'll forget he existed, right?"

One of my favorite scenes where I laughed so hard is when Thor is eating bowl after bowl of Loki's food and Loki is complaining about free-loaders while Thor is just oblivious.

It has made me wonder though...when did Loki become sarcastic in media as a rule?

I don't recall Loki in Americans Gods being so sarcastic, even Alan Cumming in Son of the Mask wasn't really and all the older portrayals that I remember were more punny than sarcastic like the way he is on The Super Hero Squad Show. The earliest sarcastic Loki I can remember is the angel from Dogma.

Also, it has one of more villainous versions of Odin. The original version is definitely grey, the Marvel one would do some dick move whenever they needed more conflict while the Marvel movie one is more in between the two; some dick moves and some hard choices. However, this Odin almost reminds me of the fanfics with the woobie Loki where they make Odin an utter asshole to make Loki look that much better.

Not that the anime makes Loki into a woobie which is what I like about it; Loki's capable of both compassion and selfish desires. I loved when he felt so protective of Freya.
Becca: Loki Mischief Managed by beccadgbeccadg on March 3rd, 2014 07:49 am (UTC)
Okay, I've seen six episodes now (thank you Hulu for some decent freeness) and I LOVE this!!!!!

*Bows.* You're welcome, even if I am now jealous that you're two episodes ahead of me. ;)

It's so hilarious and awesome.

Very glad to hear you find it so. O:)

I would love a fanfiction of this fusing the two together because I agree that I like the slow burn better, plus, you have everyone else turned into children/teenagers but without taking away their powers...

Cool. I'd want to watch more of the show before I tried to write the fusion, and I haven't gotten any fanfic done in a while so it would end up on my "to do list," but I like the idea of fusing them. Have you seen the Marvel animated Thor: Tales of Asgard that was released around the same time as the first live action Thor movie? It gives a Marvel Animation look at some of the comic book characters as kids, and some of those looks could be blended with the anime ones in Mythical Detective Loki.

I LOVE Loki's staff he conjures up when necessary.

If I remember right the anime staff is a variation on the Crescent Moon staffs that are seen in other anime as well. It means that in a fusion the staff Loki only gets in Avengers could be something he has while he's banished.

What would you do with Mayura?

Ah, Mayura is another anime convention. She's a "pink hair." They have a combination of perkiness, and depending on who's writing them (and-or how you see them) naivete or flat out stupidity. Right now, having only seen the first four episodes, I'd say depending on how much I wanted to have a character that follows that convention in the story, I'd either--
a) Have Jane be the pink hair, she isn't dumb, but she can be both perky and naive.
b) Have Darcy be the pink hair, and retain the perkiness but lose the naivete/stupidity.
or
c) Keep Mayura as her own character named May.

I still haven't seen Fenrir which I'm looking forward to...his cuteness in the opening credits made me rethink some of my fanfic...

Aww. Cool. I think it's important to remember with all of Loki's kids that the antagonistic relationship they have with the Aesir isn't entirely a matter of their being "monsters." It's also a matter of the Aesir treating them as monsters.

...but I am definitely sad that Sif never appears?

I haven't seen as much of the anime as you have yet, but I also haven't seen any mention of her in the reading I've done about the series. It may just be that they were saving her for a second series, and when they didn't get one...

Plus, I do love that it has all his kids whereas Marvel is kind of like "if we don't have Sleipnir in the sequel, you'll forget he existed, right?"

I am really happy the anime has Hela in it given that she's a big player in the comic books all in her own right. I mean to be fair there have only been two Thor movies so far, but I still feel like they could've done more in the movies than they have.

It has made me wonder though...when did Loki become sarcastic in media as a rule?

It isn't new, but it is dependent on a couple of different factors. First, there's how much the people writing are really aware of the complexity of his character in the original mythology. The god as a Trickster god is one that can not only be sarcastic, but so subtle with it that people miss the sarcasm. Second, there's what kind of a mood the writer and their audience are in. Do they want him cracking jokes? Do they want him being scary? Do they want him being something else?

I don't recall Loki in Americans Gods being so sarcastic...

I didn't care for Neil Gaiman's treatment of Loki. I don't know if he didn't know enough to present Loki as anything more than a character who loves chaos, or if he chose to present him in such a narrow focus. Either way it didn't work for me.

...even Alan Cumming in Son of the Mask wasn't really...

I've only ever watched the first Mask movie, and I only did that once, so I wouldn't know about how Loki was portrayed in that.

TBC
Becca: Loki Illustrated by beccadgbeccadg on March 3rd, 2014 07:53 am (UTC)
...all the older portrayals that I remember were more punny than sarcastic...

I remember some sarcastic Loki in the comic books back when I started reading the books in the mid '80s and I'm sure I've seen some in books and on TV, even if I can't think of a quick example off the top of my head. Might have been someone doing a modern version of a 19th century story. I mean the wiki for Loki says, "The conception of Loki varied during the nineteenth century. Sometimes he was presented as a dark-haired Semitic fifth columnist among the Nordic Aesir, but sometimes he was described as a Nordic Prometheus, a heroic bearer of culture." I'm sure I've read a book, or a trilogy of books where he was in that "heroic bearer of culture" vein rather than the villain.

Also, it has one of more villainous versions of Odin.

Not surprising. I mean when you look at the mythology, instead of at modern literary treatments of Loki, there's some speculation that Loki is a counterpart to Odin. If they're counterparts of each other then it's natural that the more one is presented as good the more the other will be depicted as bad.

...this Odin almost reminds me of the fanfics with the woobie Loki where they make Odin an utter asshole to make Loki look that much better.

Not to defend building Loki up by tearing Odin down, but Odin can be an utter asshole. It's all a matter of where the story is drawn from, and how the relationship between Loki and Odin works there.

Loki's capable of both compassion and selfish desires.

The main thing that Loki should always be is complicated.
red_moon_: shockedred_moon_ on February 28th, 2014 03:22 pm (UTC)
Almost an hour? Damn.

Still have to wait three weeks until it will be released here.
Ithithildyn on March 2nd, 2014 12:21 am (UTC)
Bummer.