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28 December 2013 @ 12:21 pm
Pondering  
I just may be writing a story that gives some background on Charlotte's Jack Sparrow, as opposed to the one in the movies, that includes Howard Stark and Walt Disney. Yeah. So, up till now, I'd used comics dating for when SHIELD was created, really it only came into play during the Peggy Carter story I wrote a few years back. But now, I think I need to do some retconning. That short about Peggy that was on the IM III DVD seems to be saying that Howard created it, or mostly created it, two-three years after the end of WWII. So, 1950ish? Basically, a few months after the end of the Peggy fic, there's going to be a party at Howard's, and I need to date it. I also need to rewrite some of the Peggy story. Poked around the Marvel wiki, but it keeps hanging when I try to get to pages.

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But, I don't want to be a pie,: SHIELDidontlikegravy on December 28th, 2013 08:41 pm (UTC)
Nick founded SHIELD at the end of WWII in the comics so the timing would be right, and I seem to remember Howard did have a hand in its forming. Of course it isn't movie canon (yet) that Nick is that old so it certainly makes more sense for Howard to form it, and if it is later revealed that Nick is the founder you could always say that Howard founding it was the official story to keep Nick out of the limelight so he could do secret spy stuff. :)
Ith: Avengers - Nick Furyithildyn on December 28th, 2013 08:48 pm (UTC)
Well I'm definitely not changing Nick being old in my stories LOL I'm only going to go so far retconning, you know :D

So I'll make the year late 1950.
But, I don't want to be a pie,: SHIELDidontlikegravy on December 28th, 2013 08:50 pm (UTC)
Sounds reasonable to me :)
Ith: Avengers - Loki Smileithildyn on December 28th, 2013 09:20 pm (UTC)
I'm now trying to decide what Hollywood stars will be at the party. I think Errol Flynn, Marlene Dietrich, Lana Turner, and Clark Gable for a start.

I think I need a Howard Stark icon.
But, I don't want to be a pie,: avengers assembleidontlikegravy on December 28th, 2013 09:41 pm (UTC)
How about a director, Billy Wilder maybe?
Ithithildyn on December 28th, 2013 09:42 pm (UTC)
Sure! I'll take requests for the guest list :D
Becca: 10th Doctor Certified Geek from ???beccadg on December 28th, 2013 10:04 pm (UTC)
The wikis for Earth-616 SHIELD say Nick drafted the idea of SHIELD at the end of WWII, but didn't try to implement it then because he figured he'd get turned down. It was actually founded by someone else sometime between the end of WWII, and Nick's being recruited to be Executive Director of it in the 60's. Apparently, in an issue from a Nick Fury book in the 90's, they even named someone that was the Director before Nick Fury. Comic book-wise there's wiggle room on both when SHIELD was actually founded, and by whom. I haven't watched all the Marvel Cinematic Universe stuff, but if Ith says they've implied Howard Stark founded it that wouldn't contradict SHIELD having been founded by someone other than Nick working with Nick's ideas for it.
But, I don't want to be a pie,: vogonidontlikegravy on December 28th, 2013 11:17 pm (UTC)
Ah yes, I'd forgotten Nick didn't actually found it, only came up with the idea. I've been re-reading some Cap and Wolverine lately and Nick being inspired by Cap was in one of them.

Well Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD began in 1968 so it must have been between the end of WW2 and then so 1950 is as good as any and Howard had a hand in it in both movie and comic 'verses so I reckon Ith's on to a winner.
Becca: XM: FC Charles/Erik by beccadgbeccadg on December 29th, 2013 12:31 am (UTC)
Ah yes, I'd forgotten Nick didn't actually found it, only came up with the idea.

Given that (while I read Marvel Comics seriously for 15 years) I haven't read the books seriously in over 10 years, I've taken to checking the wikis at marvel.com, marvel.wikia.com, and wikipedia when I want to get a wide view of something I'm shaky on. ;)

I've been re-reading some Cap and Wolverine lately and Nick being inspired by Cap was in one of them.

One of the reasons I cross check is to try and be sure that the information I'm looking at is a) from the particular Marvel universe I want--616, 199999, etc--and b) it's current, or relatively current canon. Gotta watch out for retcons.

Well Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD began in 1968 so it must have been between the end of WW2 and then...

Yep. The wikis all said Nick spent time working for the CIA between the end of WWII and his recruitment into SHIELD. Some of his CIA work was in Korea during that War which was '50-'53. :D
Ithithildyn on December 29th, 2013 12:34 am (UTC)
I came across the CIA bit back when I was writing another story, and had used that. I think Nick will be absent fro this particular story, except in spirit :D