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16 June 2012 @ 02:49 pm
Wrangling  
If anyone would like to help me wrangle fic, specifically for White As Snow, Red As Blood, please meet below the cut. I'll try and be as unspoilery as possible for those reading the story.


I keep going back and forth on this, so maybe a new POV will help. I always seem to get hung up on the smallest details, and I'm stuck now. If you were going to name a child - a daughter in this case - of Loki's, would you just make something up, or play off of one of the his children named in mythology? This is a potential child, one who may or may not exist, now, or in the future, but it's an important aspect as far as I see this story, and the ones after. A child, potentially of power, due to her parentage. I've done research, and came to find one of the children named in mythology, a girl, has been used as an actual Marvel character. I've also used my Old Norse to English dictionary, to create a name. Several, actually [g] And I keep going dithering as to which route to take. I'm sort of leaning towards a play on a mythological child - this day, at least!

Thanks for any thought you may have.
 
 
 
She went that-a-way...: Methos looking for bells :-Pjinxed_wood on June 16th, 2012 09:39 pm (UTC)
Yes, you should use Hela! I'm imagining a Death Goddess and 'Death' meeting and it has so much potential for trouble!

And I keep thinking she'll look awfully like Eva Green for some strange reason...

eva green



Edited at 2012-06-16 09:40 pm (UTC)
Ith: Art - Wildwoodithildyn on June 17th, 2012 01:28 am (UTC)
Actually, Hela was the one I was leaning towards, but she's the one that's already a Marvel character, which I think might be confusing?
ericadawn16: Confusedericadawn16 on June 16th, 2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
YES! I had this trouble, too. Do you name the child in such a way to hint their paternity, or do you go for something that's a tribute to the mother? Do you go for mythology? Do you go for modern? Go for the name meaning itself?

It literally took me days. In the end, I went for both meaning and a name from her parent's culture...in this case, her mom. Then, I went for a more obvious Loki reference for her middle name. In this case, Aesir.

The main thing about doing a Mythological character that already exists is that it carries a lot of baggage, both for you as readers read it and for the child because they've already established from Erik Selvig that all the Mythology as we know, still exist in the Marvel universe but some of them are real and some are not. For example, Sleipnir does exist but Loki appears not to have a wife yet.
Ith: Art - If Onlyithildyn on June 17th, 2012 01:30 am (UTC)
Yep, Marvel uses Norse mythology, but it isn't actual mythology - or something like that. I guess it's more of a template. I've been pondering this since not long after I started writing the story, but now need to make a decision before I can go further.
Black Rook: Ceirdwyngrachonok on June 16th, 2012 09:51 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't go for a mythology name, mostly because Marvel idea of Norse Mythology is strange enough already:).
Guess meaningful name in Old Norse would be my choice (when I needed one for HL fic in Viking Age, I used this site - http://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/ancient-scandinavian).
Ith: Art - Wildwoodithildyn on June 17th, 2012 01:31 am (UTC)
LOL! It is.
cincoflexcincoflex on June 16th, 2012 10:30 pm (UTC)
heh, well given that mythology has a degree of canon unto itself and that even with that said there are children of gods who are unknown and unacknowledged, you pretty much have free reign as far as I can see.

Sometimes it's tricky territory to use something well-known, and sometimes it's fun if you go in ballsy and confident, making your *own* alternative, so I can appreciate both sides.

But I know what you mean about the small details, particularly for something as significant as a name. Let us know what you choose, will you? I'd love to find out what you choose and why!
Ith: Avengers - Loki Smileithildyn on June 17th, 2012 01:32 am (UTC)
The idea of my own alternative is tempting, plus the whole time shifty, possible futures/paths, that the child may represent.

I'll let you know!
But, I don't want to be a pie,: lokiidontlikegravy on June 17th, 2012 01:01 pm (UTC)
Personally, I'd go with a name from mythology. Like you and others have said, Marvel take the mythology and run with it and there's no reason you can't do the same. Although I would avoid using Hela for the reasons you mentioned, there's no need to preclude her because movie canon is different from comic canon and as far as we know Loki has no children in the movie 'verse. Plus this child may or may not exist so that means you won't get Jossed.

Edited at 2012-06-17 01:02 pm (UTC)
Ith: Methos - Mythithildyn on June 17th, 2012 07:11 pm (UTC)
This is, in a convoluted, time isn't a straight line, take on why Immortals can't have children. Well, maybe they can. So if my own fic universe could include alternate timelines, time travel, 'magic', I could use a mythology name since it isn't necessarily tied to their reality's Norse mythos, right? I know, I'm probably over thinking this, but am trying to get a handle on it, since Methos lived through those times and is Mr Expert, so I need ti understand it so he does. Mostly LOL
valihavaliha on June 17th, 2012 08:09 pm (UTC)
Well, if you want to go with names from mythology, there are two daughters of Loki that are mostly unknown. Their names are Eisa (Embers) and Einmyria (Ashes), and they seem to be expressions of what some have theorized to be Loki's role as a fire god. Their mother is the goddess Glut, whose name is also connected to fire - it means "Glowing".

He also had several children while living in female form on Midgard, but I don't remember what gender they were and what happened to them and the man who was his/her husband. I also remember that in the Lokasenna he accused Sif of sleeping with him, implying that her son Ullr was his (but you're looking for female children's names).

That Loki sure got around, didn't he!